View Full Version : (Ex-Rikuhi) Gardener, Gai [S Ranked Missing Nin]
There's a method to his madness
General Info
Name: Gardener, Gai
Age: 30
Gender: Male
Height: 6’
Weight: 180 lbs
Appearance:
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Gai is a tall, slender man, with moderate muscle definition. His hair is shoulder length, wild and fiery red. His eyes are an emerald green, and are slightly oval shaped. While his face is also fairly rounded, it also has a chiseled look to it, a feature which is also applied to his round, thin nose.
For clothes, the first thing to notice about Gai is his trench coat. It is irish green and the back hangs down to just below his knees. He wears it opened in the front, revealing solid black undershirt, a vest made of Dragonskin (http://www.theninja-forum.com/Vbulletin/showthread.php?t=21869) and pants. with an irish green utility belt around his waist, which features matching sidearm pouches on both the front right and front left. Gai also wears irish green gloves and boots. The boots go up as high as the middle of his shins, and the gloves extend as far as his wrists. Around his left wrist, he wears a set of summoning charms, and he wears his slashed Rikuhi headband around his right bicep, on the outside of the trench coat. Finally, on his back, Gai wears his puppet, Otto.
Level/Rank: Missing nin
Village: Ex-Rikuhi
Clan: Kudo (http://www.theninja-forum.com/Vbulletin/showthread.php?t=16138)
Languages: Common (Very Slight Rikuhuu Accent), Rikuhuu (fluent), Hyougan (Slight Rikuhuu accent), and Kauhi (Rikuhuu Accent)
Elements: Dokuton (Poison), Doton (Earth), Hyouton (Ice)
Fighting Type: Ninjutsu specialist
Combat Info
Weapons and Sidearms:
- 2 Sets of Summoning Charms (http://www.theninja-forum.com/Vbulletin/showthread.php?t=19804), which contain 3 steel umbrellas rigged for Jourou Senbon and his tambourine, Surround Sound (http://www.theninja-forum.com/Vbulletin/showthread.php?t=24537) in one bracelet. The second bracelet is just umbrellas identical to those contained in the first
- Otto (http://www.theninja-forum.com/Vbulletin/showthread.php?p=763529#post763529) worn on his back, under the trench coat
- Utility belt (http://www.theninja-forum.com/Vbulletin/showthread.php?t=22042) worn around his waist. Contains 2 additional steel umbrellas and 8 fuuma shuriken.
- Earmuffs These are normal earmuffs. They protect Gai from sound attacks, such as his own. He cannot hear anything while wearing them, because they stop all sound. He compensates for this by using his talent at reading lips, though this means he can't hear anything around him.
- Dragonskin Mark 1 (http://www.theninja-forum.com/Vbulletin/showthread.php?t=21869) vest, and gloves
- Underarmor (http://www.theninja-forum.com/Vbulletin/showthread.php?t=26677)
- Infinity Gauntlets (http://www.theninja-forum.com/Vbulletin/showthread.php?t=25475). each contains 30 senbon
- 3 Advil (http://www.theninja-forum.com/Vbulletin/showthread.php?t=33105) Tablets
- 9 Gas Bombs (3 per poison) kept in pockets on the inside of his jacket
- 60 exploding tags (Kept in a pouch on the front right of the belt)
-10 Kunai, hanging in small compartments on his belt
- Dragon Dagger (http://www.theninja-forum.com/Vbulletin/showthread.php?t=32359), holstered on belt
- Mercury Boots (http://www.theninja-forum.com/Vbulletin/showthread.php?t=33089)
Strengths and Weaknesses
Physical Strengths:
- Excellent Chakra Pool
- Excellent Speed
- Very Good Chakra Control
- Very Good Reflexes
- Very Good Agility
Physical Weaknesses:
- Absolutely Horrible Strength
- Absolutely Horrible Skill at Taijutsu
- Absolutely Horrible Ranged Accuracy
- Bad Endurance
- Bad Sense of Smell
Mental Strengths:
- Great Memory
- Can Read Lips
- Good Reaction Time
Mental Weaknesses:
- Messiah Complex He believes that everything he does, no matter how destructive or wrong, is somehow done for the greater good.
- Inconsistent Personality His emotions are off the wall, unpredictable. And his stand point on almost any topic can change at a moment’s notice
- Inner Demons Gai has a tendency to switch between two different aspects of his personality: One that is moderately Sane and remorseful, the other is homicidal and ruthless.
- Absolutely Horrible Pain Tolerance
- Arrogant
Jutsus:
E/D Ranked
[0] Advanced Bloodline: Artist’s Twin (http://www.theninja-forum.com/Vbulletin/showthread.php?t=25525) Stage 2 Unlocked
[0] Bunshin No Jutsu
[0] Henge No Jutsu
[0] Kawarimi No Jutsu
[0] Nawanuke No Jutsu
[0] Ningyou Gikyoku: Ningyou Seichuu[Doll Play: Doll Control] (http://www.theninja-forum.com/Vbulletin/showthread.php?t=18882)
[0] Koe no Mozouhin [Voice Imitation]
[0] Uta no Aki [Song of Emptiness]
[0] Myu-jikaru Gokuin [Musical Seals]
[1] Cloud of Death [Sendo Kumo no Jutsu] (http://www.theninja-forum.com/Vbulletin/showthread.php?t=21181)
[2] Dokuton: Shinshi Ken [Poison Release: Immersed Blade]
[3] Dokuton: Kushami Funmatsu [Poison Release: Sneezing Powder]
[4] Dokuton: Doku Shibuki [Poison Release: Poison Spray]
C Ranked
[0] Kinobori [Tree Climbing] [Full Mastery]
[0] Suimen Hokou no Gyou [Art of Water Walking] [Full Mastery]
[0] Genjutsu Release [Kai]
[1] Kyoumeisen [Vibrating Sound Drill]
[2] Doton: Tera Myu-zika [Earth Release: Terra Musica]
[3] Up, Up and Away (http://www.theninja-forum.com/Vbulletin/showthread.php?t=24509)
[4] Doton: Dochu Eigyo no Jutsu [Earth Release: Underground Fish Projection Technique]
[5] Jibaku Fuda: Kassei [Exploding Tag: Activate]
[6] Hyouton: Otaki Arashi
[I]B Ranked
[1] Thermal Vision (Doujutsu)
[2] Dokuton: Doku Shigure [Poison Release: Acid Rain]
[3] Hyouton: Hayai Aisu
[4] Hyouton: Hyouheki [Ice Release: Ice Wall]
[5] Jourou Senbon [Raining Needles]
[6] Naval Seal (http://www.theninja-forum.com/Vbulletin/showthread.php?t=30226)
[7] Seal of Approval (http://www.theninja-forum.com/Vbulletin/showthread.php?t=29804)
[I]A Ranked
[1] Surround Sound (http://www.theninja-forum.com/Vbulletin/showthread.php?t=24537)
[2] Surround Sound (http://www.theninja-forum.com/Vbulletin/showthread.php?t=24537)
[3] Seal of Blessing (http://www.theninja-forum.com/Vbulletin/showthread.php?t=27622)
[4] Kuchiyose no Jutsu [Summoning Technique] Pidgey (http://www.theninja-forum.com/Vbulletin/showthread.php?t=30736)
[5] Meisai Gakure no Jutsu [Hiding Camouflage Technique]
[6] Dokuton: Mahi Doku no Jutsu [Poison Release: Paralyzing Poison Technique]
[7] Hasai Kabe[Earth Release: Crushing Walls]
S Ranked
[1] Carbonic Acid (http://www.theninja-forum.com/Vbulletin/showthread.php?t=31888)
[2] Iodine (http://www.theninja-forum.com/Vbulletin/showthread.php?t=31889)
[3] Ammonia (http://www.theninja-forum.com/Vbulletin/showthread.php?t=31890)
[4] Advil (http://www.theninja-forum.com/Vbulletin/showthread.php?t=33105)
Background:
Gai's father was a traveling merchant from Rikuhi. He met Gai's mother, the daughter of a respected member of the Kudo clan, on a trip to Hyouga, where the two of them immediately hit it off. Two years later, they were married and living in Rikuhi. When Gai was born, they decided to raise him as a bilingual child, the mother teaching him Hyougan while his father taught him Rikuhuu.
Gai's mother also raised him in her garden, where she grew all of her herbs and spices, as well as played her flute. While Gai had no interest in the flute, he liked the tambourine his father had brought him after a business trip, and he practiced with it on many nights in his mother's garden. It was also in this garden that he learned how to make poisons and antidotes.
When he reached the age of twelve, his parents sent him to the Academy to further his study in the ways of the ninja. His father hopes to one day see Gai as a respected Anbu, while his mother hopes to see him as one of the village's top medical nin. But, what they don't know was that their son had different plans for his future than either of them had ever planned.
Since he was a small child, Gai was very disturbed, though he always hid it from his parents. He acted innocent enough, though he secretly tortured and mutilated animals for many years, often disposing of their bodies in shallow graves or burning them in large piles in teh academy incinerator.
Soon, his insanity progressed as he began to collect the bones of his victims, making thrones out of their skeletons and trophies out of the skulls. He even used the blood to paint the walls of the small cave he uses as his hideout.
When things already looked bad, Gai's insanity began to develop further. In a friendly contest between himself and his friend, Lethos, Gai tried blowing them both to bits using an exploding tag in close proximity. He was heavily burned, and carried off to the academy burn ward, laughing maniacally.
After graduating the academy, Gai was quick to find and kill his first human victim, an academy student who was wandering around alone in the late hours of the night. Gai made quick work of the boy and left him for dead.
Not long after that, Gai went on a cargo run alongside his father and another ninja from Sato, Kenny Daichi. They soon encountered a missing nin, who later introduced himself to Gai as "Ocelot" appeared, intending to take the life of Gai's father, along with their cargo. Gai had no problem with this and helped Ocelot kill his father, in exchange for guidance as a missing nin. Ocelot gave Gai the code name, "Snake" because only a snake would kill his own kin.
Later, Gai discovered Ocelot's true identity, Giru Mataru, when they joined with Naaku And Hokuto, to form the group known as La Nueva Era. It was Naaku who taught Gai many new techniques that made him more powerful. They soon moved on to Hyouga, intending to kidnap a student who was taking the chuunin exams.
But, things did not end well for them. Gai got attacked by another missing nin outside of a Ramen shop in Hyouga, and a battle raged out. Gai was wounded and a block of the village was burned down. Gai views all of the events that happened this night as his fault, and has gone to great lengths to improve upon the flaws he had that lead to his failures that night.
He had gained a new understanding in life: That you don't kill people for fun. There needs to be a reason, and a good one. And, now that he understood that, he knew he could no longer stand to face the world as Gai Gardener. So, he faked his own death and assumed the name Michael Angelo, going to great lengths to disguise himself.
After faking his death, Gai went through an isolated period in his life, where he was his only friend, the only person he could trust. Though he combatted his own mental instability, it grew even worse, and Gai began to hear voices. He is fully aware that these voices are all in his head, but it doesn't change the fact that they speak to him and that he can hear them. However, it was during this same time that Gai was able to overcome many of the other flaws in his personality and develop into the promising Missing Nin that he has become.
There have essentially been two things that have driven Gai through the duration of his entire life. The first was his psychopathic tendencies, which lead to him having many malicious intentions. The second, however, was his incredible drive and determination. This drive and determination carried Gai through a great deal of training his entire life, and it is only during that training that he has ever come close to being completely sane, though even those points are questionable. Because of this, Gai has completed a gratuitous amount more training than many others of his rank, so much so that many others would not honestly believe how much training he had done. However, the results of his hard work are quite apparent to anybody who faces him.
As more time passed, Gai became a key player in Seichi. Alongside his long time friend and mentor, Naaku Kitohime, Gai helped to create the secret village of Neo Horizon. Under the direction of Naaku and the village's financial backer s (Kai Inoue and Lex Luthor), Gai has taken the lead in maintaining the defenses of the village. He acts as an ANBU Captain of sorts, leading the various missing nin and mercenaries whom protect the village from harm. He has even been known to hunt down escapees from the village prison from time to time.
To tired to crit for real...but one thing I noticed. You're coding is really messed up; pictoors, some links etc. =P
Might crit later ^^
Kopravich
11-11-2009, 19:21
Agree about the code. Fix it up so we can proceed with criting without making our eyes bleed xD
Alucious
11-11-2009, 19:29
Gonna sound like a broken record...but, what they said.
That and
Physical Strengths:
- Excellent Chakra Pool
- Excellent Speed
- Very Good Chakra Control
- Very Good Reflexes
- Very Good Agility
Physical Weaknesses:
- Absolutely Horrible Strength
- Absolutely Horrible Skill at Taijutsu
- Absolutely Horrible Ranged Accuracy
- Horrible Endurance
5 strengths, 4 weaknesses. Last I checked creation rules, you need the same amount of weaknesses as you do strengths. >.>
Anyway, everything else appears fine. (Unless you need approval for S-rank poisons, as they're S rank, but i'm not 100% on that)
Gonna sound like a broken record...but, what they said.
That and
5 strengths, 4 weaknesses. Last I checked creation rules, you need the same amount of weaknesses as you do strengths. >.>
No, you don't need the same amount of Strengths and weaknesses...however, the strengths may never be more than the weaknesses....so you could have more weaknesses; but not more strengths.
Kopravich
11-11-2009, 19:41
No, you don't need the same amount of Strengths and weaknesses...however, the strengths may never be more than the weaknesses....so you could have more weaknesses; but not more strengths.
That's correct...
And i hoped to see more of the description, but i suppose this is enough, even though it is the same as Gai's A rank profile...Of course, the profile can't be accepted before the poisons are accepted, so good luck with them!
Blazestorm
11-11-2009, 19:50
I'm more of the opinion that they should just balance...
so it might be ok that he has 5 strengths and 4 weaknesses, so long as the weaknesses are extreme and the strengths... not
nemanja92
11-11-2009, 20:04
According to the rules, it's like this:
talking about numbers of each, not the quality or the balance:
weaknesses > strengths - OK
strengths > weaknesses - not OK
strengths = weaknesses - ok
So I believe he needs to add 1 more weakness, or remove 1 strength.
Code's fixed.
My S/W balance as follows:
- Excellent Chakra Pool (+5)
- Excellent Speed (+5)
- Very Good Chakra Control (+3)
- Very Good Reflexes (+3)
- Very Good Agility (+3)
Total: 19
Physical Weaknesses:
- Absolutely Horrible Strength (-5)
- Absolutely Horrible Skill at Taijutsu (-5)
- Absolutely Horrible Ranged Accuracy (-5)
- Horrible Endurance (-4)
Total: 19
so they are equal. It's about how the points are distributed more than the actual quantity.
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And the poisons don't need to be approved for the profile to be. However, they cannot be used until they are accepted themselves.
Strengths/Weaknesses
Physical Strengths
Chakra Pool [+3] [Very Good]
Resistance to Poison [+2] [Good]
Stealth [+3] [VeryGood]
Genetic High Red Blood Cells Formation and Regeneration Rates. Normally, the rate of RBC formation is 2 million per second; theirs is 3 million per second. RBC generation process normally takes about a week, while in their bodies it occurs in five days, except that their red blood cells last 3 months rather than 4.
- In practical understandable none bla bla terms what does this mean?
Physical Weaknesses
- No matter the balance you may never have less weaknesses then you have strengths. This needs fixin.
Well, says not...Shizuka; post no. 3 of this link (http://theninja-forum.com/Vbulletin/showthread.php?p=1023390)
no offense to shizu, but he is the only mod who has ever expressed that opinion. The others have all looked solely for balance.
Whatever. Cut the endurance to "bad" and added "Bad sense of smell".
I now have 5 weaknesses, despite the fact the original was equally balanced.
Raph, post no.2 of the same link is by Deep; and towards the end of his post he complained about the same issue.
whatever, i changed it. so it doesn't matter.
Alucious
11-11-2009, 20:59
My issue was that you had more(amount of, not severity of) strengths than weaknesses. Someone should say what works and what doesn't. >.> Maybe i'm just misreading rules/etc.
Anyway, outside of that, I believe this is fine. (Since that was changed)
So, now that myS/W are no longer an apparent issue, any further comments?
Dunno about the pills... 10 water pills?... but if that's allowed at higher levels or whatever, all the better. Also, I think he has... 32 bombs on him? Cool if it's fine, just noticed about the large amount.
Other than that, just a few little issues with S/W. Arrows for when multiple S/W share the same comment.
Physical Strengths:
- Excellent Chakra Pool - Balances Strength
- Excellent Speed - I wouldn't say this balances with Taijutsu. Speed is more consistently applied.
- Very Good Chakra Control -V
- Very Good Reflexes -> Attributes are generally considered of higher priority than skills... These would count for more than enough to overcome the "value" of Abs. Horrible ranged accuracy, at least in my opinion. You're welcome to argue otherwise if you disagree.
- Very Good Agility - Let's say this balances Endurance and Smell...
Physical Weaknesses:
- Absolutely Horrible Strength - Balanced by chakra pools.
- Absolutely Horrible Skill at Taijutsu -> Skills aren't generally considered as severe as the constantly applicable attributes, as previously mentioned.
- Absolutely Horrible Ranged Accuracy -^
- Bad Endurance
- Bad Sense of Smell - Generally considered half weakness... Personal experience. ^^ So this with Endurance would balance one of your Very Good attributes. I'll say Agility for the sake of brevity.
the levels of the S/W are the determinant factor of whether they balance or not. No offense, but you are overthinking this just a bit.
Generally, you need to go "Is this a real weakness? Or a fake/Conditional one?"
With the exception of the sense of smell, all weaknesses are very real, so they can balance any of the strengths above on a point by point basis.
The smell is limited to bad for this very reason, because its not a "Real" weakness. I didn't even want to include it, but as you can see above, everyone insisted I add another weakness, despite the fact my S/W were perfectly balanced with horrible endurance instead. I wasn't about to have my weaknesses outweigh my strengths, so endurance was lowered.
I'd also point out to you that I have an "Absolutely horrible" weakness balancing, by your definition, a very good strength. Those extra two levels overflow to other things.
So, it is important to look at the level of the strength, rather than just the one it lines up with
I think if you take these things into consideration, you will probably agree that the only thing questionable about my S/W is the sense of smell weakness, which I only added at the insistence of the other critiquers.
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Apologies for the long rant. I hope you don't find that response aggressive, it was meant to be more informative than confrontational.
Yes, they are "Real" weaknesses. However, like you said yourself, you must go "are they conditional weaknesses" as well.
I believe that Taijutsu and Ranged accuracy are conditional, whereas all of your strengths (and your strength and endurance weaknesses, to be fair) are consistently applicable in combat, regardless of how you're fighting.
If you disagree on that, then we'll agree to disagree and I'll just leave it at that.
ranged accuracy is most definitely not a conditional weakness, nor is the taijutsu skill. Conditional weaknesses seldom come into play, if at all. Examples ould be sonic and light weaknesses, sense of smell, flexibility. Those generally have little impact in combat, except for against very specific enemies.
Especially when both are taken together, gai cannot properly utilize his projectiles, nor can he fight hand to hand effectively. He is ineffective in both close quarters and ranged fighting, leaving little in terms of offensive capability.
Both of these weaknesses are not conditional. They have been accepted very consistently by the RP staff as balancers for the types of things they are balancing now. And, as someone who is actively involved in the RP, I can confidently say that there is no reason they wouldn't balance these strengths now.
Yuki Aisu
12-11-2009, 06:37
Mod Stuff:
Ranged Accuracy is not a fake/conditional weakness.
Taijutsu skill is not as up there as Ranged Accuracy, but it is not a fake/conditional weakness either. It translates to Bad at Taijutsu. *shrug* I've always figured it counted for something~
Yah.
Then that's settled, and my only real concern would be the large amount of pills. Are you -ever- allowed more than three without giving up slots? If yes, then I don't have any problems.
You're allowed more than 3 without giving up slots.
To be perfectly honest, I wasn't sure how many items an EJ is allowed to have, so I just threw down big numbers and was hoping for opinions.
I'll cut the pills down to 5 though. Any other thoughts?
Wasn't saying you had to cut them down, just wasn't sure if it was allowed. If it is, all the more power to you... And I think it's pretty much done, in my opinion anyway.
Meh, I still don't need that many water pills / I am lazy and don't want to unedit.
Kopravich
15-11-2009, 08:51
All fine with me. I am just not sure about the poisons. Perhaps you can remove them now and ask a mod to give them to you after they are approved? Or leave the profile here until they are approved?
or, you know, not use them until they're approved. That's how this works.
The other alternatives are just more work for a mod later.
Lionsbrew
15-11-2009, 14:14
Strengths and weaknesses look balanced enough. I guess your waiting on approval of those poisons then.
Kopravich
15-11-2009, 14:20
Well, that can lead to people using their items/jutsus, eventhough they are not approved. I am not saying you will do that, but it leaves space for someone who will and mods can't follow every RP thread. But, i probably can't change the system so i will comply with it.
Congratulations then, you earned my recommendation!
my profile is always approved before my poisons. Any idiot can go "That's not approved yet" and I wouldn't be able to use it, now would I?
Anyway, thank you for the comments. I'll just sit tight until this is approved.
Kopravich
15-11-2009, 22:05
As i already said, the profile looks very nice and ready to go. Since i believe you won't use your poisons until they approved,i will do what i have to do. The profile is beautiful, Gai is interesting as always and i hope that you won't kill him soon and thus won't give us further enjoyments while reading his actions!
Happy RPing !!!
HALF STAMP!!!
Trusting you not to abuse this...
If no-one has any other complaints, I'll give this my half stamp tomorrow. Of course, you can't use any of your related applications until they are approved. Goes without saying...
demideviluk
15-11-2009, 23:18
Raph and I have already discussed this...it isn't ready to go.
Thus the two above stamps are revoked for the time being.
... Clever, Raph, taking out the decimal point on your explosive tags. ^^ I should've seen that before... My bad.
There was never a decimal point there. Removing the note.
- - 60 exploding tags (Kept in a pouch on the front right of the belt) These tags have 1.5x the blast power and blast radius of typical tags.
+ - 60 exploding tags (Kept in a pouch on the front right of the belt) These tags have 15x the blast power and blast radius of typical tags.
Yes, there was a decimal there. The edit history shows it, lulz.
well, it was 15x for a while before either kopra or yurane commented.
and regardless, its gone.
On an unrelated note, I just figured out how to find the edit history, now that I am aware its a feature.
The number of items seems ridiculously large and i for one don't really like it. Will see what Shiz has to say about it though... *shrugs*
You do need one more mental strength.
The jutsu list also seems to have some problems. I checked the slots you have now and the slots you had on your current profile and after eliminating the ones that were found on both i came up with the following conclusion - you don't have all the old techs listed here. To make it easier i'm pointing out the ones that are found in the old profile but not in the new one as well as the any new ones you have added now. Aside from the Kuchiyose which i suspect you just changed the summon and perhaps the key to yesterday which might've been an item by the sound of it, all the other ones are actual techs i believe and as such not really possible to have forgotten...
[0] (D) Gas Bomb Creation
[0] (D) Dokuton: Kushami Funmatsu [Poison Release: Sneezing Powder]
[0] (D) Dokuton: Doku Shibuki [Poison Release: Poison Spray]
[7] (C) Hyouton: Otaki Arashi [Ice Release: Cascading Storm Technique]
[14] (B) Used for The Key to Yesterday
[18] (A) Kuchiyose no Jutsu [Summoning Technique] [Chilly]
[4] Doton: Dochu Eigyo no Jutsu [Earth Release: Underground Fish Projection Technique]
[5] Jibaku Fuda: Kassei [Exploding Tag: Activate]
[6] Naval Seal
[7] Seal of Approval
[4] Kuchiyose no Jutsu [Summoning Technique] Pidgey
[5] Meisai Gakure no Jutsu [Hiding Camouflage Technique]
[6] Doton: Hasai Kabe[Earth Release: Crushing Walls]
[7] Yukitama Hougeki no Jutsu [Snowball Bombardment Technique]
[8] Dokuton: Seneitajashu [Poison Release: Hidden Shadow Many Snakes Hand]
[9] Dokuton: Mahi Doku no Jutsu [Poison Release: Paralyzing Poison Technique]
[4] Tranquilizer
The alterations in slots are a result of the change in slots from the free ninjutsu slot rules. I had previously been using my slots for poison jutsu I didn't use, but was using several of my normal slots for nonelemental jutsu. I had merely omitted the 3 poison jutsu i was no longer wished to use (And for the record never have used) and moved my nonelemenal jutsu to those slots.
The rest of the changes are due to me dropping an item (Key to yesterday), the kuchiyose being rervamped (including a rename) and my gaining 6 new jutsu slots.
The ice storm jutsu I never used, and thought it would be okay. I can put it back on there if you really want. That should accomodate for all 6 of the techniques you pointed out.
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As for the items, I will reduce them a bit.
That rule wouldn't have affected you however. Everyone that had approved nin spec profiles genin+ at the time of the ruling still got to keep their profiles unchanged as far as i'm aware. You are of course entitled to "swap" the primary element techs with non-elemental techs now but that doesn't mean you automatically forget those original elemental ones. The way Demi worded that rule had a "those jutsu will start taking up slots" clause in there pointing out to the above. Then again he does say further down in the same thread that exceptions could be made on a case by case scenario...
You however wouldn't actually forget 1 jutsu like you said above but instead 4.
I only took those 3 jutsu because there were just enough dokuton jutsu to fill all of my free slots when the system was elemental only. Had the option always been to use nonelemental jutsu instead, i would never have picked them up in the first place. I hope that you will find it in your heart to make my case one of the exceptions.
And like i said, I can add the cascading ice storm back in there if you want.
I'm personally against a 4 jutsu exception... That said i won't oppose if Shiz or another mod agrees to it however.
For what's worth on the other hand i believe this should be petitioned for all such cases anyway. That way regardless of the outcome (accept them all or reject them all) at least all the userbase will be treated equally and similar exceptions won't have to be done over and over in the coming jounin / EJ rank-ups provided other users have the same idea, which i suspect is the case given the news thread in which that ruling was made and my recollections of what i read in a chat thread a while back... Just my take on this anyway.
Alright, we can table that until another RP mod comes in to yay/nay that i guess.
Do the items look okay now?
I don't really see anything hindering this except your 'Messiah Complex' weakness. Sure it's a weakness alright but it is pretty much his own arrogance and so I think you should take arrogance off and put something else as well.
First of all, anyone with a knowledge of psychology will tell you that a messiah complex is associated with serious mental disorders and that arrogance is not.
Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messiah_complex)
A messiah complex is a state of mind in which the individual believes he/she is, or is destined to become, a savior. The messiah complex does not appear in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM)[1]
Many, although not all, people who have a so-called messiah complex often are suffering from some form of schizophrenia. This is especially prevalent in schizophrenics who experience symptoms of delusion, including visual hallucinations as well as auditory ones. Some experience the messiah complex through delusions of persecution, in which some actually believe they are becoming or have become the messiah and are going to be persecuted for reasons similar to why Jesus was also persecuted and eventually crucified. Delusions of persecution are a sign of severe mental illness, and can also signify that the individual in question is not adhering to his or her medication regime doctors have prescribed.
an attitude of superiority manifested in an overbearing manner or in presumptuous claims or assumptions
Similar in definition, but not in execution.
Second, there are far more weaknesses mentally than strengths. Anything in excess, I provided because it was part of Gai's personality.
Yuki Aisu
16-11-2009, 23:09
This is Yuki, signing off~
alright, it lookslike that issue has been answered then. Nor did N-xige seem to object to my response.
Were there any further comments?
Appearance:
- I may be wrong... But as far as I can tell his appearance hasn't change in a while now... Is that... err right? I mean, when you grow older you usually change, if only a bit O.o Though as said... there may be changes I missed.
Weapons and Sidearms:
- 2 Sets of Summoning Charms (http://www.theninja-forum.com/Vbulletin/showthread.php?t=19804), which contain 3 steel umbrellas rigged for Jourou Senbon and his tambourine, Surround Sound (http://www.theninja-forum.com/Vbulletin/showthread.php?t=24537) in one bracelet. The second bracelet is just umbrellas identical to those contained in the first
- Otto (http://www.theninja-forum.com/Vbulletin/showthread.php?p=763529#post763529) worn on his back, under the trench coat
- Utility belt (http://www.theninja-forum.com/Vbulletin/showthread.php?t=22042) worn around his waist. Contains 2 additional steel umbrellas and 8 fuuma shuriken.
- Earmuffs These are normal earmuffs. They protect Gai from sound attacks, such as his own. He cannot hear anything while wearing them, because they stop all sound. He compensates for this by using his talent at reading lips, though this means he can't hear anything around him.
- Dragonskin Mark 1 (http://www.theninja-forum.com/Vbulletin/showthread.php?t=21869) vest, boots and gloves
- Underarmor (http://www.theninja-forum.com/Vbulletin/showthread.php?t=26677)
- Infinity Gauntlets (http://www.theninja-forum.com/Vbulletin/showthread.php?t=25475). each contains 30 senbon
- Merit Badge (http://www.theninja-forum.com/Vbulletin/showthread.php?t=28968)
- 12 Gas Bombs (3 per poison) kept in pockets on the inside of his jacket
- 10 Boom Bombs (Kept in a pouch on the front left side of the belt). Rather than deafening opponents, these merely cause pain via sonic damage.
- These bombs ain't standard are they? Please describe their look, function etc^^
- 50 Shuriken, hanging in a pouch on the back of his belt. These are sharper than typical shuriken.
-20 Kunai, hanging in separate compartments on the same pouches as the senbon. These are sharper than normal Kunai.
- Ummm kunai are kunai, shuriken are shuriken. They are as sharp as they get. Unless you spesifically apply for a kunai or shuriken sharper then usual they will be like all other shuriken and kunai.
- This is..... a fethin huge armoury you carry around O.o And the amount of custom items are staggering. I am... very opposed to this. Basically your char is a nin spec with many offensive jutsu, yet at the same time you have more items then most weapon master specs? Sounds like the whole "Best of both worlds" thing which I don't like at all. So I suggest some major cuts are made to the item list.
Mental Strengths:
- Great Memory
- Just generally great or actually photographical?
- Can Read Lips
- Good Reaction Time
Jutsus:
- My policy has always been that choosen is choosen, if the choice wasn't great then that is something you have to deal with and hopefuly redeem by finding a way to make it useful. Thus I agree with Deep on the changing of jutsu. (The exeption I have made is for Academy Student rank chars and the like.)
As always you make very nice apps^^ Though as usuall I have a good bit to complain about XD Comments in le'purple. Hope they help =)
Well, if I didn't intentionally give people things to complain about with blatantly obvious things like notes making my kunai sharper, i wouldn't get many crits, now would I?
- Removed the boom bombs completely. I never really wanted them. (For the record, a "boom bomb" is listed in the common weapons listing. So it does come standard. The effect I noted was a variation of them, btw)
- Removed the notes on the projectiles
- His appearance hasn't changed much because I don't feel like writing in any signs of aging or anything. I generally like his appearance the way it is, and even have the nice picture for it.
- Went the extra mile and removed the shuriken completely. Also removed the water pills and one of the custom items (The merit badge). Reduced the number of Kunai down to 10.
- Yes his memmory is just generally great. I removed the photographic memory specifically because I was sick ofpeople asking about how his memory was photographic.
And Deep actually said he was okay with it if a second mod agreed to it, which yuki did above. Now I have Yuki for, and you against. eesh. I wonder though, based on the way you worded your objection, if you are aware that a rule changed regarding jutsu slots, which is the reason I changed 3 of the 4 jutsu in question.
As I told Deep earlier in this thread, I'd be more than happy to just change those 3 and keep the fourth.
jameshawking
17-11-2009, 15:51
About the DSM:
The DSM is a guide and a reference. Granted, it's nifty as hell, but there's a lot of shiz that ain't in there. A messiah complex, though, can be a combination of of symptoms from/of:
Autism
Narcissism
Inferiority Complex (amusingly enough)
Obsessive Behaviors (not OCD)
Schizophrenia
and, in layman's terms, Overly Ambitious Egos (Doi)
Seeing as how your character's particular version of it would stem from narcissism and an overly ambitious ego, I'd say arrogance would mostly cover it, unless you're explicitly stating your character is schizophrenic, which you're not.
Your character simply is too proud, narcissistic and, probably, afraid of being wrong. So, aside from the last little tidbit (which is reaching on my part), arrogance covers it just about perfectly.
Meh, having both in there doesn't hurt anything, i have extra mental weaknesses in there, so its not like I'm trying to balance something with the messiah complex that's not being balanced by another weaknes.. Although, you forgot the schizophrenia, which is hinted at in one of his other weaknesses.
Thanks for the extra info though, it will greatly enhance how that trait is roleplayed.
jameshawking
17-11-2009, 15:59
I didn't know you were trying to go with it as a disease as opposed to a behavioral disorder. I edited it in a moment after posting.
I think i responded to your edit though. I don't see anything different from when i posted my reply.
Is there something you feel is unanswered and/or I am just not understanding?
jameshawking
17-11-2009, 16:12
I was clarifying a point. With 3 different mods coming in and out of here, I trust that they've done a sufficient job in critiquing this character that i don't/won't have to.
Oh alright. Thanks for the help with the messiah complex, by the way.
And Deep actually said he was okay with it if a second mod agreed to it, which yuki did above. Now I have Yuki for, and you against. eesh.
No Raph what i said was this:
I'm personally against a 4 jutsu exception... That said i won't oppose if Shiz or another mod agrees to it however.
Now if you had actually bothered to read and understand this then you would have realized i clearly said i was against it. I merely said that i would not get in the way should another mod allow it. Since another mod did allow it and then yet another did not you in fact now have 2 against and 1 pro, and not 1 against and 1 pro the way you described it. So you would now need 2 other mods approving to turn this in your favor.
but... wouldn't that mean that i only need one more mod in favor, since by your first statement i needed 1 for and 1 against? (you being the against and a second mod being the for)
If that's the case, I'll sit tight and wait for yet another stamper's opinion on it, since that's obviously how this is going to work out.
Of course, if that one C ranked jutsu would make the difference, as I've said before, I'll change it. No one has answered me on that yet.
jameshawking
18-11-2009, 01:40
actually, Deep simply said " unless someone says yes, I say no. But if someone says yes, I'll change it to 'I don't care' " pretty much.
So, atm he's made it "well, 1 is for and 1 is again, so I'll throw my voice back in and make it 2 to one". You'd need 2 more people, one to make it a tie, and another to break that tie.
Get it?
you know, normally, this is a decision that just needs to be made by one moderator. I apparently need a vote by the entire group.
And I've also only heard opinions on the scenario where its all 4 jutsu. I keep saying I'm willing to keep the C ranked Hyouton jutsu if it makes a difference.
You know what? I'm not that patient and it just doesn't really matter.
- Added back in the jutsu
- Removed a few A ranks
I'll just use my monthly EJ training to learn the new jutsu. Woohoo.
jameshawking
18-11-2009, 02:41
well, more than one mod got involved o.o obviously things change when more people say things
Oh well, I comformed, so it doesn't matter. The only way i was going to get to just switch was if both kyu and demi said i could, or if we gained more RP mods and a net of 2 RP mods said I could.
Oh, minor note- i also corrected the name of one of my poisons, since i was forced to rename it today.
Are 'Dokuton: Kushami Funmatsu [Poison Release: Sneezing Powder]' supposed to take up two jutsu slots? since you have it twice XD
Nope, the copy/paste for that one didn't take. Should be fixed now. Good catch.
Mebbe it's just me...but doesn't he have one more jutsu slot than allowed? (28/27) O.o
... that can't be right...
I must have removed one too few when i re-added those jutsu. should be fixed now.
Seems good to go now...
but, I'll give the others another day to nitpick on something if they find any ;P
Just so that is made very very clear. I dunno about Deep but when I said
My policy has always been bla bla bla
that would equal a polite way of saying "No, you may not do that".
I never meant for it to be up for a vote, I meant no as in no^^ If any of the mods disagree however they can PM me and we can discuss it there.
(And on a side note I have read the whole debate so I am aware the reason for the wanted change)
However, since you seem to have changed it back to how it where, and since you fixed items etc.... Dum dum dum!
The mighty Horo approves!
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a230/Rawen_/Horostamp.png
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Opened...
I am not against the MN -> regular shinobi change but this profile now has 3 extra jutsu techniques that it shouldn't otherwise posses at the moment...
Lionsbrew
03-12-2009, 18:06
Isn't there something about being an ej that every month you can learn another jutsu for your list Sranks taking 2 months?
jameshawking
03-12-2009, 18:07
global need 1 month, custom needs 2, S need 3
Considered that but even assuming this month was possible to be used like that the RPC would still have 2 extra jutsu regardless...
Lionsbrew
03-12-2009, 18:12
Just wondering if it that might apply to this case or not.
I learned one of thoes three jutsu (The crushing walls)
I removed two of my jutsu, so the slot numbers should work out now.
So let me get this straight... you're going to use this rather questionable change to actually get rid of the two jutsu you added because you did not wanted them any longer in the first round of critting? In other words something like:
Mods: You can't just drop those techs since you had them already.
Raph: Really?
Mods: Yes, now put them back in there.
Raph: Fine, fine they're now back.
**********
Raph: I shall now become a good guy.
Mods: Cool, that's nice to hear. What about the extra jutsu you have at the moment though?
Raph: Ah don't worry about it. Remember those jutsu i added earlier? I'm gonna use this as an excuse to get rid of them. How awesome is that, eh?
Those jutsu were using 2 A ranked slots, if you count my jutsu and ignore the A rank I learned.
so yes, i am removing them. They are no different from the other jutsu on my profile, other than the fact I don't want them.
Oirarana
03-12-2009, 21:26
You want him to get rid of his jutsu, but you don't...
make up your mind, honestly I think he shoulda kept them, he did go from C to S rank as a Missing-nin
Akayuuki
03-12-2009, 21:28
yeah deep....you told him to get rid of two jutsu...you don't really get to choose which two jutsu u want him to take off that would be ridiculous..
By that logic it would be far simpler not to allow this change for OOC reasons until you can have all those techs. Which would mean 2 more months, in other words no sooner than February.
jameshawking
03-12-2009, 21:30
well, if Deep's correct in what happened, I see it as thus.
Raph tried to get 2 jutsu removed and replaced them with other techniques he wanted. However, when he was told to put those two back in, he didn't remove their replacements.
So I think Deep is telling him to keep the things he wanted to get rid of, and remove the replacements.
It doesn't matter. Those jutsu were using 2 A ranked slots. I lost 2 A ranked slots. I got rid of them.
The fact I got rid of two jutsu everyone knew i don't want is irrelevant.
Oirarana
03-12-2009, 21:32
I don't believe that is the situation
He's saying Raph wanted to get rid of the jutsu before, and couldn't, but now he has, supposedly bypassing a decision
I don't understand the problem here. I very agreeably gave up two jutsu for the two slots i lost.
jameshawking
03-12-2009, 21:35
I don't believe that is the situation
He's saying Raph wanted to get rid of the jutsu before, and couldn't, but now he has, supposedly bypassing a decision
So, in essence, he's saying "you can't remove two specific jutsu. Get rid of two others".
Least that's what I get from it.
I'm of the same opinion of Deep if that's the case. Otherwise someone can twist-turn from MN to Regular to cycle through jutsu they don't want.
Akayuuki
03-12-2009, 21:35
well its deeps doing now that he is ABLE to get rid of those jutsu deep cant CHOOSE which jutsu raph has to get rid of...thats not his choice.
@Oir i never said i wanted him to get rid of his jutsu. I do not approve of loopholes after all, which is what this actually is even if it may not have been intended as such.
@Aka read again my posts and you'll see that nowhere i mention he should get rid of 2 jutsu. I mention this profile is invalid because it has 2 extra jutsu. To fix that problem though it's far easier to wait till next rank-up or in this particular case just wait...
@James actually he added a lot of jutsu because of this rank-up. Though your variant would be an okay one as well. In other words empty 2 newly occupied slots that were provided by the recent EJ rank-up. Though i would frankly still prefer the waiting alternative however...
@Raph you gave up two jutsu you were told you couldn't give up simply because you had a change of heart. Now you're trying to use another such change of heart to make that happen. In other words exploiting the system to get what you want all the while bending the rules.
jameshawking
03-12-2009, 21:36
well its deeps doing now that he is ABLE to get rid of those jutsu deep cant CHOOSE which jutsu raph has to get rid of...thats not his choice.that's a letter vs Intent argument, Aka.
If he stuck entirely to the letter of the law, there's no real precedence for it. However, there's no precedence against it, either.
It depends on whether someone finds Raph's intent to be to get around a mod ruling.
Up to the mod team for this one.
So, in essence, he's saying "you can't remove two specific jutsu. Get rid of two others".
Least that's what I get from it.
I'm of the same opinion of Deep if that's the case. Otherwise someone can twist-turn from MN to Regular to cycle through jutsu they don't want.
To be fair, i sincerely doubt you'd get the mod approvals for that switch back to missing nin again. And you definitely wouldn't get it a third time.
Honestly, i have unlimited jutsu slots as an EJ, given enough time. And i gain nothing from losing those jutsu, other than removing some clutter from my profile. It is incredibly unlikely a second MN approval will be given to Gai, so its not like i can actually cycle through my jutsu as you suggest.
Oirarana
03-12-2009, 21:38
Then let him keep his two extra jutsu
Raph didn't ask to have his profile revoked, nor did he become a normal shinobi just to get rid of those two
>_>
Honestly, if I stopped being ANBU, I'd expect to keep the ANBU jutsu, since I was, at some point, a member of the unit, and you don't magically forget jutsu when you leave
jameshawking
03-12-2009, 21:39
To be fair, i sincerely doubt you'd get the mod approvals for that switch back to missing nin again. And you definitely wouldn't get it a third time.
It's never been regulated. Hell, an administrator, as admin, jumped from regular to missing to regular to missing to regular.
5 different changes.
I am unaware of such a precedent.
And the entire idea that i would really go through that much trouble to change two jutsu is a slippery slope argument, not valid.
Kopravich
03-12-2009, 21:40
Then let him keep his two extra jutsu
Raph didn't ask to have his profile revoked, nor did he become a normal shinobi just to get rid of those two
>_>
Honestly, if I stopped being ANBU, I'd expect to keep the ANBU jutsu, since I was, at some point, a member of the unit, and you don't magically forget jutsu when you leave
This have sense.
But still, rules have to be followed. Perhaps you can give Gai some other limitations, or jutsu learning suspension for few months, to compensate for the jutsus he got as MN!
This have sense.
But still, rules have to be followed. Perhaps you can give Gai some other limitations, or jutsu learning suspension for few months, to compensate for the jutsus he got as MN!
Hell no.
I changed my rank back, and i gladly gave up two of the jutsu i had using my MN slots. That is enough.
jameshawking
03-12-2009, 21:42
It's not a slippery slope if it'd take 1 step, one which was seemingly made =/
I'm simply saying that, whether intentional or not, is what seems to have happened here.
Kopravich
03-12-2009, 21:43
Hell no.
I changed my rank back, and i gladly gave up two of the jutsu i had using my MN slots. That is enough.
Suggestion was for Deep >_>
And it is no longer your call..
it really isn't. I had no intention of superventing any rules. I actually complied to them.
I gave up my special rank, and i gave up two jutsu when requested to. There is no reason this profile should continue to sit here now.
Kopravich
03-12-2009, 21:46
it really isn't. I had no intention of superventing any rules. I actually complied to them.
I gave up my special rank, and i gave up two jutsu when requested to. There is no reason this profile should continue to sit here now.
Fair from your side, but it still makes room for exploiting, regardless of your intentions...
AleenaGrey
03-12-2009, 21:47
It shouldn't be such a big fight over two jutsu, which in essence he'll be getting back since he's an elite (thanks to the new-ish rules). Also just because he's rejoining a village, doesn't mean he should get rid of jutsu he's more or less earned. *shrugs* Since how much training has he done? Hell of a lot if i recall. If its such a problem, just put a jutsu learning suspition or something until the required time for the lost jutsu is completed?
-Well thats my 2 cents. Hope it helps.
jameshawking
03-12-2009, 21:52
well, that forms a pretty bad precedent, really =/
"I ranked up to EJ! w00t!"
-loads up profile with extra jutsu-
"er, you have too many"
"I'll wait a few months before I train more jutsu."
Granted, I'm not saying that's what happened here. But it would set a similar precedent.
@Oir whether he did it to get rid of those or not is irrelevant. Point is this has became an effect. And i know you don't mind overpowered stuff but other members of the board might actually prefer balance and common sense. The revoke was obviously made because of the latter category.
And besides your very argument is actually why those jutsu were asked to be placed there in the first place. Once learned he couldn't just forget them and so they were brought back. Now should this change had been made before this application was submitted than those 3 MN slots would've been replaced by 3 new slots courtesy of the rank up rules. As it is now however those MN slots can no longer be substituted by anything unless we were to wait for a few months.
@Kopra the limitations might work actually...
Rule: This is applicable to Elite Jounin, Sannin and Kage. Provided that they have no empty slots, they get one new jutsu every month. However, all jutsus they obtain in this manner require training, if they choose a jutsu from the global lists, they skip one month after and if they choose a restricted/forbidden/S-ranked one they skip two months.
The above would mean that 3 of the current techs need to be trained and anything else is taken care by the above resulting waiting period... Still not a perfect alternative but it would make more sense actually.
Nekomata Kayangelus
03-12-2009, 21:53
I am unaware of such a precedent.
And the entire idea that i would really go through that much trouble to change two jutsu is a slippery slope argument, not valid.
James said you could, not would. Although neither of those is a slippery slope argument.
Hell no.
I changed my rank back, and i gladly gave up two of the jutsu i had using my MN slots. That is enough.
But that is going around the rule of not being able to forget jutsu...
Seriously, the closest thing I can see to making all the rules be followed, would be you give up 2 A-ranks jutsu, and you can't learn any new jutsu until you have re-learned those 2 that you gave up. Well, 3 actually. I'm not sure when the argument turned from "you have 3 too many" to "you have 2 too many" until a month happened to pass since this was stamped, and you trained something...
You know what? I have a solution.
I will just keep my MN rank. Then my profile is just perfect.
Thank you all for destroying the end to my character's well planned story line, which I greatly enjoyed roleplaying.
Kopravich
03-12-2009, 21:58
You know what? I have a solution.
I will just keep my MN rank. Then my profile is just perfect.
Thank you all for destroying the end to my character's well planned story line, which I greatly enjoyed roleplaying.
That attitude won't help you and noone here had something like that in mind. Deep just adressed the rule and we are all trying to find the best way to solve this. You know, similar things can happen in the future and this is the ideal opportunity to make some rulling or whatever....
the best solution is staying a missin nin.
I am not giving up two months of learning, and i am not giving up two different jutsu.
Nor do i want my profile to be a battle ground for a rules discussion.
It is now exactly as it was when it was stamped by shizuka. I'd appreciate it being put back now, please. My day is officially ruined.
Kopravich
03-12-2009, 22:03
It is now exactly as it was when it was stamped by shizuka. I'd appreciate it being put back now, please. My day is officially ruined.
Well, that sux, but such things happen. I know you loved this RPC and your plotline was amazing, but i suggest not to drop this yet. Perhaps something can be done, still...
How about waiting till another mod has a say? Deep is not the be all and end all.
Kopravich
03-12-2009, 22:07
How about waiting till another mod has a say? Deep is not the be all and end all.
Noone called for you... get back for chatties xD
/end off topic
Akayuuki
03-12-2009, 22:09
no hes got a point just because deep says something doesn't make it gods word, it can be overruled by another moderator just as he overruled shizuka, no attack intended deep.
@Raph it was not my intention to ruin your plots. For that matter assuming you sacrifice a couple of the coming training submissions this change will be very much valid. At that time i doubt anyone will oppose you continuing whatever plots you have set up...
@Aka i actually appear to have overruled Zau, who likely made the change without being aware of the consequences it would bring. I'm not saying it's anyone's fault really but at the same time i'm not really comfortable simply letting it go even though there are technically rules preventing this sort of thing. So for the record this time i do actually believe that Raph had good intentions and as such i'm sorry to ruin his day as he so put it himself... Still, "rules are rules"
Moved again seeing as this was solved.
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