Nervous Puppetry

[Rupert Griffin]

Nervous Puppetry
Rank: A
Type: Ninjutsu
Range: Medium
Element: Poison
Village Origin: Rihuki
Creator: Hissorihimo, Kuromaru, clan founder.
Requirements: Kugutsu no Jutsu, good chakra control, some medical knowledge, a Nervous Puppetry Neurotoxin.


Descrption
This skill is reserved for the Hissorihimo clan's elite; few ever master this in their entire lives. First, the individual poisons another with a Nervous Puppetry Neurotoxin. Secondly, he attaches a chakra string to a senbon needle. Finally, he carefully inserts that needle into the stem of the brain. When done properly, the user can totally control the person's conscious actions. However, it takes up all of the person's concentration, as he must totally control another person. Furthermore, the needle sticks out of the back of the head a little bit, and is therefore sometimes visible. Nonetheless, this method remains an invaluable tool for espionage, and allows the Village Hidden in the Shine to find out about most incoming attacks. It's success in the past has taught other villages think twice about invading Rihuki.



Example of a Nervous Puppetry Neurotoxin
In small quantities: This neurotoxin slows reaction speed slightly. In small quantities, this effect lasts around 6 minutes (10 posts). As a gas, this poison only offers very small effects (2 minutes, 3 posts), as it must be mixed heavily to a very, very dark purple color.
In large quantities (IE, quantities that must be administered through food or a direct injection, and not in the heat of battle): This neurotoxin reduces the opponent's conscious control of his own body to a level that allows for Nervous Puppetry. It will last for approximately one hour. Smart shinobi using Nervous Puppetry will often equip their targets with more of this poison, allowing the technique duration to be more than an hour, if need be, as long as the user can have a target drinking.

Other Notes:
It is most commonly used in battle as an aqueous solution, and outside of battle as a white powdery solid that is highly soluble in water - if poured on food, it will generally dissolve into the food within one second.
I will not administer large quantities of this poison to another person's RPC without giving him a perfectly good chance to avoid it, and will never do so in battle, unless the enemy, for whatever reason, wants me to - and thus, I will not use it on another person's rpc without effective permission.

Training Time: 21 days

[Anki]

How many unmade RPC/Clan ideas are you going to post...
To ease my own workload please just tell me which jutsu you want to have attention on.

[Rupert Griffin]

1. I've stopped making clans for a while. And I have two rpcs. My next idea is for an RPC that should be at least Elite Jounin level... So I'm good for a while.
2. This jutsu and the Hissorihimo clan... Mmm.

[Anki]

So0o~ Kokaze and Gomu stuff can be deleted?

[Rupert Griffin]

I might want kokaze later, but ya, go ahead and delete Gomu.

[Anki]

>>

Just save Kokaze into your own hardrive >[

[Shinkon]

You still have another jutsu un-accepted!

Do something about that!

Objectives Completed.

[Rupert Griffin]

Okay, okay, blah, blah, blah... Any crits?

I pretty much just c/p'd the description from my clan.

[Nekomata Kayangelus]

Does the target keep their chakra?

So the user sees through the eyes, and hears through the ears, and smells through the nose of the target? Do they feel the same things the target would feel if they were alive?

Did you get this idea from the Akatsuki corpse-usage jutsu?

[Rupert Griffin]

Does the target keep their chakra?
Yup. But the user can draw up the target's chakra for the target's jutsu, if he knows how to perform those jutsu himself.


So the user sees through the eyes, and hears through the ears, and smells through the nose of the target? Do they feel the same things the target would feel if they were alive?
No, the user senses from his own position. Although... You just gave me an idea for a jutsu I could submit for the jutsu list expansion thing.

Did you get this idea from the Akatsuki corpse-usage jutsu?
Not sure where I got the idea from... I got it a long time ago. *shrugs*

[Shinkon]

Since th needle has to be inserted into the brain stem, I would presume the target couldn't be moving too much.

What would stop you from making the opponent kill themself? Considering this is like the mind transfer jutsu with NO drawbacks.

[Rupert Griffin]

1. Into a key location in the brain stem. And covered with chakra. It's not meant to cause lasting damage.
2. The user has to poison the target first, and then carefully, and uninterupted, put a needle into the target's brain. Couldn't I just feed the target a killing poison? Or slice a kunai through the back of his neck, paralyzing him, and then kill him? This is supposed to be HARDER than killing a person. So suicide would just be a waste of time and energy.

[lorian]

Is there anyway for the target to free him or herself from this? Or is the only way out if you run out of chakra or release them. Can you only control one person or could you control more then one.

[Rupert Griffin]

Is there anyway for the target to free him or herself from this? Or is the only way out if you run out of chakra or release them. Can you only control one person or could you control more then one.

1. An individual cannot break himself free, as this technique breeds complete control over the target.
2. A second person can pull out the needle, or, if he has the proper methods, break the chakra string, or attack me, breaking my concentration - in which case I'd loose control until I regained concentration.
3. The only way I'd be able to control a second person with this would be if I were to grow a second brain. If I can't control my own body along with another person, why would I be able to control two other bodies?

[Nekomata Kayangelus]

If you can't control your own body, than you can't follow the person you are controlling either right?

[Rupert Griffin]

Chakra strings can go long distance. And I have a jutsu for the expansion slot in mind that would allow the user to see from the puppet's point of view... If that doesn't work out, I'll just submit it as a custom, but I think it's a fairly broad... and useful for all brands of puppet user, including those people who just have kugutsu for the floating kunai no jutsu.

[Anki]

1. An individual cannot break himself free, as this technique breeds complete control over the target.

^
The concept above makes me dislike like this jutsu.
I'm okay with Binding
But this jutsu leaves no escape, and completely controls the target.
Which, I may add is almost extreme godmodding.

It would be easier to get away with this as a Genjutsu, but even a genjutsu A rank binding only binds half of the person's body.

[Rupert Griffin]

^
The concept above makes me dislike like this jutsu.
I'm okay with Binding
But this jutsu leaves no escape, and completely controls the target.
Which, I may add is almost extreme godmodding.

It would be easier to get away with this as a Genjutsu, but even a genjutsu A rank binding only binds half of the person's body.


1. A second person can always free the first.
2. This is much harder to pull off than a genjutsu - I need to poison the enemy first, and then carefully insert a needle into his neck. For genjutsu, I just need to make a few handseals.
3. Snake constriction binds all of a person's body. Kanashibari binds all of a person's body. Nijuu Kanen no Kanashibari binds all of a person's body. I really don't understand why Jubaku Satsu works the way it does, but there are clearly examples of jutsu of equal or lower rank that do more, and it clearly does more at a lower rank in the manga.

[Nekomata Kayangelus]

Rupe, snake constriction only binds you if you are a coward, and don't have the mental capacity to go "I'm a shinobi, so I could beat the shit out of this animal which lacks the ability to see, due to being faster and stronger by 1 to 2 magnituded".

Kanashibari works for 1 turn, so if you aren't in close range, it doesn't give you time to land a single hit.

Nijuu Kanen no Kanashibari can be dodged or blocked.

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2nd person can't see this. 2nd person can set you free from genjutsu as well.

[Rupert Griffin]

Rupe, snake constriction only binds you if you are a coward, and don't have the mental capacity to go "I'm a shinobi, so I could beat the shit out of this animal which lacks the ability to see, due to being faster and stronger by 1 to 2 magnituded".
So a shinobi will own a snake but be owned by a tree? And a person can physically fight back against genjutsu? Genjutsu has physical form now? No, according to everybody else, you can't even act under paralyzing genjutsu.


Kanashibari works for 1 turn, so if you aren't in close range, it doesn't give you time to land a single hit.

Theoretically, you can recast it, though, no?


Nijuu Kanen no Kanashibari can be dodged or blocked.

It works with chakra, so I don't think it can be blocked. And it's close range with swords, or something like that, so it probably isn't easy to block.


2nd person can't see this. 2nd person can set you free from genjutsu as well.
1. If the second person knows the first, he might notice something weird going on.
2. The second person might see me.

I see that you don't want to grant me complete control... But I do totally give up control of myself.

Ohh... Should I put a time limit on the poison? I'll give it a half life, and I'll say how much I need for complete control, how much I need for some influence, etc.

[Ino]

quick question: what the heck does any of the last few posts have to do with the application? it has steered completely off subject. take it elsewhere.

now. for your jutsu.

first off, im going to say this point blank. This jutsu WILL require OOC permission from the creator of the other rpc to use this. That is final, and non negotiable. Take it, or ditch the jutsu.

Also, if your rpc is hit, then the jutsu would dispell, right? since it takes so much of your concentration....

14 days? .... lets try doubleing that. You are controlling someones BRAIN. its not something quite that simple.

[Rupert Griffin]

first off, im going to say this point blank. This jutsu WILL require OOC permission from the creator of the other rpc to use this. That is final, and non negotiable. Take it, or ditch the jutsu.
Eh... Sure. They'd need to take the poison anyway.

Also, if your rpc is hit, then the jutsu would dispell, right? since it takes so much of your concentration....
Well, the person will be able to take control for a little while. Depending on just how much my concentration is broken, I might be able to regain control with little extra effort.

14 days? .... lets try doubleing that. You are controlling someones BRAIN. its not something quite that simple.
Well, 28 pages in word does seem like a lot, no? I'll bump it up to 21, and work on another restriction or two here and there.

[kinshoukamikaze]

the chakra string its connected with.. is there a maximum radius it can go out?
like max of how far can the target being puppeted be from the user?

i see this as a 2 part jutsu
first you use poison to make the enemy basically limp
then you do the brain thing to control them and make em move~

now my question is.. if they're limp with narcotics and depressants, their nervous response is heavily suppressed and slowed
even if you had control of their brain, they'd be.. very un reactive..
at least thats what i think..

also.. just the fact that you're dealing with sticking a needle into the targets brain without killing em.. damn dude.. this should be a S rank..

unless maybe you put some limiters.. like X amoutn of posts this will last..

[Rupert Griffin]

Well I haven't invented the poison yet. But my ideas for it so far:

1. It mainly inhibits the person's conscious will and perception, and not direct motor skill - so when I put the needle into the brain, and operate the individual, I can do it properly, and he won't fight back.
2. The poison will have a set duration depending on quantity administered.
3. It will be difficult to administer large quantities of the poison (as in, anything large enough for me to use this jutsu for more than five seconds), so it will not be used in battle. It is genuinely a tool for espianoge and junk.


And as for the length of the chakra string... Kugutsu no Jutsu doesn't specify a length, but if there really is a notable limit, I suppose the limit for this jutsu is fairly near that. I doubt it will ever be an issue.

[Rupert Griffin]

Bump, since this was deleted a little while ago for no notable reason, and has just now been brought back.

[nemanja92]

I don't think that piercing him with a SENBOU will work. Senbou has a diameter r = 0.3 mm so it's 0.6mm thick. You can't stick something like that in the brain, it will cause permanent damage and/or instant death. I'm a student of anatomy, trust me, it has to be thinner to a maximum of 0.2mm thick. So you would have to get a custom weapon with 0.1mm diameter(r = 0.1mm, R = 0.2mm) or else it's K.O. for the target as soon as you hit him.

EDIT:

My bad even a needle with 0.2mm diameter is big, it should be r = 0.5mm and R = 1mm if you are trying to avoid all the nerves. But still, it leaves a great draw back that you will kill millions of cells in his brain and (maybe) damage it permanently. What about a chakra needle? By using puppetering jutsu(don't know the name >_>) you can make your chakra so thin that it's a lot thinner. Think about some other options, senbou can't be used for that.

[kinshoukamikaze]

nemanji
senbon will work
senbon's are used for acupunture
thats not even a big problem

the main problem now is the concept of hte jutsu itself ><

ruppy
i htink you need to make a better description of the poison being used..
right now.. you basically want to make the person lose consciousness and take over their body through control of hte brain right?
mm it sounds so
bleh..

First, the individual poisons another with a special cocktail of certain depressants and narcotics.
i say you should fix that..
cause as it is right now.. even if you justify it by saying its just their conscious will that you're screwing up.. it doesn't change the fact that depressants/narcotics slow down nervous response rate.. thus your jutsu is like.. handling a slug.. lag puppet..
lol XD

[nemanja92]

Is Senbon used to acupuncture brain? I don't think so.

It's flawed in your point(the poison), but I think my point is very sharp too. You cannot pierce the brain with a senbon without causing fatal/long lasting heavy damage to the brain. It's like an instant kill jutsu:p.

[Tybre]

There is nothing on TNF that can pierce the brain and have a person live.

And yeah, Kin makes a very good point about the "lag puppet"

[Anki]

I already critiqued another one of your jutsus, so take heed to what the others have stated before me, before I go through it.

[Rupert Griffin]

Haku, who was an outlaw, and thus had no particular access to medical books or anything, could put a senbon into a person's neck that put him into a false death state. The guy who made this jutsu was incredibly high class, and thus very well educated, with a lot of resources to learn. Furthermore, he had animals to test it on. Finally, he was using chakra the whole way through. The technique does require medical knowledge and chakra control.

I will put up the particular coctail I plan on giving my character.

[kinshoukamikaze]

why don't you stick the senbon in their neck then?
with an adequate poison, circulation will still get you the control you want..

you see.. whta i was thinking was you should make it so that hte person is still in fact conscious.. just with you controlling their movements.. thus you only need control of their spine to block off control of their body from their brain.. ><

then you won't have this problem with piercing hte brain and shinizz

[Rupert Griffin]

1. Without a depressant, the enemy would still be able to resist, which defeats the purpose of the jutsu, as the person must look calm, as to not arouse suspicion.
2. If I only control the movements of the body below the neck, then I cannot control what comes out of the target's mouth, or his facial expressions, thus, again, defeating the purpose of the jutsu.

[nemanja92]

You can't stick a senbon in a brain *la la la*

[kinshoukamikaze]

instead of trying to be annoying nemanja, why not try to help..

hey ruppy
you can still stick the senbon in the guys neck and claim circulation brought the poison up
and instead of depressants.. just say your poison acts as a virus and over takes all the synapses of the nervous system or something
maybe that'll work better?

[Rupert Griffin]

I don't think that piercing him with a SENBOU will work. Senbou has a diameter r = 0.3 mm so it's 0.6mm thick. You can't stick something like that in the brain, it will cause permanent damage and/or instant death. I'm a student of anatomy, trust me, it has to be thinner to a maximum of 0.2mm thick. So you would have to get a custom weapon with 0.1mm diameter(r = 0.1mm, R = 0.2mm) or else it's K.O. for the target as soon as you hit him.

EDIT:

My bad even a needle with 0.2mm diameter is big, it should be r = 0.5mm and R = 1mm if you are trying to avoid all the nerves. But still, it leaves a great draw back that you will kill millions of cells in his brain and (maybe) damage it permanently. What about a chakra needle? By using puppetering jutsu(don't know the name >_>) you can make your chakra so thin that it's a lot thinner. Think about some other options, senbou can't be used for that.

1. Who told you that a "senbou" is at least .6 mm thick? You don't even know what the weapon is called, you can't possibly know the minimum thickness... Especially as it was never stated in the manga.
2. 1 mm > .6 mm anyway. Which means that even by your arbitrary standards, I can do it.
3. Killing a few brain cells doesn't destroy the brain.
4. There is some careful positioning of the senbon. It is not in the most dense section of the brain.
5. I am using chakra to make everything nicer. Chakra is the ultimate excuse.


instead of trying to be annoying nemanja, why not try to help..

hey ruppy
you can still stick the senbon in the guys neck and claim circulation brought the poison up
and instead of depressants.. just say your poison acts as a virus and over takes all the synapses of the nervous system or something
maybe that'll work better?
What? I don't get that at all... A depressant is a type of drug. Modern drugs and poisons are generally mixtures of multiple chemicals, not just one; so this is a coctail containing a few depressants, a few neurotoxins, and probably a narcotic or two, to produce the complex desired effect... And... I don't get your suggestion... A virus... Is not a poison at all. It's an actual disease. It's slower, and harder to produce. Furthermore... A virus doesn't take over the function of a cell, it just abuses the cell to reproduce and then explodes. I can't control somebody's nervous system with a virus... I'm sorry, but what you said doesn't make any sense at all.

[kinshoukamikaze]

i meant act like a virus in terms of taking over the cell
you don't have to follow through with reproduction and blowing up the cell.. you can just say that your poison injects itself into the synapses of the nervous system, takes over the DNA and grants you control of it
synapses are how all the messages from brain are sent to and fro anyway
thast why i was saying you can just use that to surpress all attempts to struggle free of your control and so forth~

[Rupert Griffin]

Nervous messages don't go through DNA at all. There's a reason people don't use viruses as drugs. Viruses and drugs are different. I don't want to take over the cellular information in individual cells, controlling the way they reproduce, or anything. I just want to change what the body is doing.

[kinshoukamikaze]

i never said it goes through DNA
i meant take over DNA so you can control the synapse cells
then you can have hte synapses produce hte proteins you wnat to send the messages you want and stuffs~
thus the body will do what you want it to do according to the messages you send out ><

bleh maybe my bio really is that bad eh~

[Rupert Griffin]

i never said it goes through DNA
i meant take over DNA so you can control the synapse cells
then you can have hte synapses produce hte proteins you wnat to send the messages you want and stuffs~
thus the body will do what you want it to do according to the messages you send out ><

bleh maybe my bio really is that bad eh~

I wouldn't have to take over DNA to do that, I'd have to take over the multiple organelles where the proteins are synthesized, allowing me to edit which organelles are producing which proteins. But the thing is, I'd need to do it accurately, in each cell, while the drugs I'm talking about will have a more widespread effect, as they generally replace the proteins and steroids that you are suggesting I hijack the body to produce for me (which is just more complicated). I really don't know where you got this idea... But there's a reason nobody has ever done it before. It's just not a good idea.

[Anki]

Note: I'm making this jutsu for a clan I've yet to get accepted, and for an RPC who won't exist until I have an elite-jounin level slot to spare for him. But I decided to try and get this accepted now... Eh.
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Range: Short to apply, medium-long to keep active.
^ Medium


First, the individual poisons another with a special cocktail of certain depressants and narcotics.
remove this and put in the exact name of hte poison "Nervous Puppetry Neurotoxin"

And to be honest, I really only see you using this jutsu on NPCs, since I don't really believe anyone is going to let you insert a needle into the back of their head, unless they were extremely willing, and I see that you know this. >> But you still want the jutsu?


Poison - Nervous Puppetry Neurotoxin - In small quantities, this neurotoxin slows reaction speed slightly. In larger quantities, however - quantities he must administer through food or a direct injection, and not in the heat of battle - it reduces the opponent's conscious control of his own body to a level that allows for Nervous Puppetry. In small quantities, this effect lasts around 6 minutes (10 posts). In large quantities, it will last for approximately an hour. Smart shinobi using Nervous Puppetry will often equip their targets with more of this poison, allowing the technique duration to be more than an hour, if need be, as long as the user can have a target drinking. As a gas, this poison only offers very small effects (2 minutes, 3 posts), as it must be mixed heavily to a very, very dark purple color. It is most commonly used in battle as an aqueous solution, and outside of battle as a white powdery solid that is highly soluble in water - if poured on food, it will generally dissolve into the food within one second.
Nice poison but just give one quantity to make it simple.

[Rupert Griffin]

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Remove this is old

^ Medium


remove this and put in the exact name of hte poison "Nervous Puppetry Neurotoxin"
All done.


And to be honest, I really only see you using this jutsu on NPCs, since I don't really believe anyone is going to let you insert a needle into the back of their head, unless they were extremely willing, and I see that you know this. >> But you still want the jutsu?
Yeah.


Nice poison but just give one quantity to make it simple.

Well... If I did that, then it wouldn't just be a useless A-Rank jutsu, it would be a useless A-Rank jutsu + a useless poison. And logically, something with such significant effects at high quantities should still have some effects at low quantities too, right?

I'll reorganize it, though... Make it easier to read.

[Anki]

Stamped

Accepted & Moved

Reminders
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