Outlaws and the syndicate

**marythecatgirl** · 13-10-2011, 06:02

I have always wondered. . . Why can't the syndicate have "Clans" and just call em organizations or something? Outlaws are already deprived of so much. village regen and anbu's but have their own pluses like banking anywhere and foraging for food.

but i think they should have clans too. criminals can band together in their own groups. who know it may make syndicate more active instead of a stop place for people getting DC

not like syndie clans would throw off balance

**Kush** · 13-10-2011, 07:12

That sounds like a great idea. Although, in my opinion the syndicate needs much more. I understand "pluses" such as banking anywhere and foraging for food, but that is really an awful trade-off when you take into account all of the things that are being lost. Things that affect your strength as a ninja (i.e surgeries, homes). IMHO going outlaw seems like a negative thing atm, unless you want to rob people non-stop, or as you mentioned get DC. I wonder if the outlaw/syndicate system is being looked at, or if there are plans for improvement.

**marythecatgirl** · 13-10-2011, 07:19

I would love to see people go

OMG syndicate rather than LOL

I would love to lead a syndicate band in a mass raid on a village

It really should be treated like its own village?

why cant they have a house I mean RREALLY

**Mortregis** · 13-10-2011, 07:27

Because their camps get similar regen to houses.
And it can't be treated like a village because it's a faction.
Lead Syndicate on a raid? Go ahead. Have fun getting strong raiders with no surgeries.
Face it, Syndicate isn't meant to be a village. Don't treat them as such. Their regen system is much different to a normal village's.

**Kush** · 13-10-2011, 07:34

I understand it isn't a village and thus should not have the same advantages. Nonetheless, why should it have so many disadvantages? "Going Outlaw" leads down a path of weakness because they do not have BASIC rights that others have, such as surgeries. Call them what you want, " Back alley kidney transplant"...or hell, even " Visit the Dentist "...anything.give people a legit reason to want to be outlaws and not be forced to be part of a village in order to have the same progress, or similar progress to others.

In no way, shape, or form do I mean to offend anyone, but please tell me, what do I get for going outlaw? Less regen, two jutsus, free food, and an accessible tavern/bank from anywhere?.....what are the real pros to going outlaw b/c from my point of view, it is mostly disadvantages TILL you join another village.

**Mortregis** · 13-10-2011, 07:38

You do realise that not everything needs to have advantages. Otherwise we'd all be outlaws. Giving it village privileges is just silly, because then it would lead to more implementation towards an already broken system. Syndicate is a place to dump your alts to get rich quick and etc. It's not meant for earlygame/midgame players. Choosing to go to Syndicate is always the player's choice, they know full well that they are giving up village privileges for Syndicate privileges.
Syndicate gets to have a portable house. They get much lower regen costs. They get DC, and the easiest 'Kageship' to obtain. They even get free healing.

**marythecatgirl** · 13-10-2011, 07:44

No no even with no surguries. the way I used to do it a B-ranked crime every 30 mins and now every 3 hours nets you some HP so don't pull the no strong raider's just takes longer. oh and BTW most raiders dont need HP cause they pick off the people they kill in 1-2 hits anyway. and don't try to argue that one.

as for syndicate isnt a village. I know that. dosent mean they can't get together. Do you have a logical reason RP aspect or game wise why they can't?

and camps =/= house regen. . . wait maybe crappy house

all in all syndicate sucks tooo much is all I think

**Kush** · 13-10-2011, 07:44

Originally Posted by Mortregis

Syndicate is a place to dump your alts to get rich quick and etc.

In my opinion, this is the problem.

**Mortregis** · 13-10-2011, 07:48

Because free portable housing doesn't make up for that at all, right.
That is true, but the way you said it makes it seem like you want to lockdown a village. Which means killing everyone awake/wakes up.
And of course, the ability to get up to 5 mil a day without worrying about getting robbed or attacked isn't a bonus at all?
Same can be said for DC. People have capped their banks merely using that jutsu.

**Kush** · 13-10-2011, 07:53

Although both of you make really good points, I think that the Syndicate/Outlaw system needs to be "Looked At" atleast. I'm sure whoever takes upon that responsibility will find a couple of things that can be "tweaked" to further improve the outlaw experience. Advantage or not, there is always room for improvement.

**orochimoro** · 13-10-2011, 08:29

but what about persons that want to rp as an outlaw with his/her main character

after all that is the reasons i joined tnr to be an outlaw and create havoc n over the years its just not possible

being an outlaw means 2 main things

your friends you joined with gets stronger than you alot quicker without even trying

you lose the best advantages in the game the advantages of an outlaw is just well useless for a main (except free food)

and now outlaw leadership lollz what the heck he leading there's no organizations outlaws r free so y need a leader thats just stupid

i say put in organizations (clans) and put it in the space of outlaw leader

maybe its stupid because now 99.999 outlaws are alts and the 00.001 are mains that are innactive or semi-retired

**Panama** · 13-10-2011, 08:37

The reason that the majority of the Outlaws are alts is because Syndicate life is sadly useless.

I see no reason for the Outlaws to not get some benefits over Villagers. They lose other benefits in the process. I'm pretty sure its possible for the outlaws to get a bunch of stuff that will balance out with what they lose by going outlaw.

**Gazun** · 13-10-2011, 08:46

The only good things about being an outlaw (That I can think of) are:

Sleep anywhere
Bank anywhere
Free healing
DC

Apart from this there's way too many disadvantages to being an outlaw. :x I mean, sure, they can do Crimes just like villages can do Missions, but this means they get half the amount of HP that villagers get.

The only people who benefit from being an outlaw are Ryo alts, people getting DC and end-gamers who have no use for regen or surgeries... and even then they lose out on ANBU, Clans and a lot of other useful village things. I understand that they want people to be villagers rather than outlaws but... why allow people to go outlaw if it's so bad? :x Atleast give them a really good reason to be outlaw alongside all the disadvantages.

Just my thought on it. :x I also heard that the "Kage" to the outlaws can't delete posts or do just about anything else a Kage from a village can do. :x Poor syndicate.

**morrison** · 13-10-2011, 08:53

what about surgeries outlaws should also be able to do surgeries
something like they have to be at a certain place or in some other village to start the surgery
but outlaws will be getting a low hp for surgeries like for chunnin just 200 hp and cost a bit more than others

**Quinton345** · 13-10-2011, 10:22

Who exactly would perform the operation? Syndicate has no centralized location meaning you'd either have to go too a certain place to do surgery or there would have to be a "doctor" that travels around and besides there is no honor among theives, would you really trust a criminal to do work on your body?
Also syndicate users constantly have to be on the run why give them a portable house? Unless of course you want to put all the homes in one place which would make syndicate too much like a village.

**Gazun** · 13-10-2011, 16:46

I think by portable houses they mean better tents.

Also, for surgeries, they could have somewhere on the map where a Creepy Old Surgeon (Random names) does the surgery for you but it costs like... double a villages surgeries maybe? Or possibly less, depending if you want to stick with the giving-outlaws-disadvantages-over-villages thing.

You could also have a Crooked Surgeon in villages for outlaws to do surgeries with.

**marythecatgirl** · 13-10-2011, 17:06

This is what I hoped. People seriously discussing it.

I think that while they lose the comforts of village life they should have some features.

surgury (Cause for the money spent I doubt a surgeon cares if its on an outlaw)
clans (call em groups or organizations but they should allowed to band together)
battle arena (Come on call it a fight circle. outlaws are more violent normally so they need one of these)

things they shouldnt have

houses (Ok I get the point. if you can camp anywhere then why have a house.)
ANBU (Ourtlaw special forces. I don't think so)
occupation (the job of an outlaw is to rob and terrorise. its a full time job)

Overall i think outlaw life should trade only a few things for different things.
as for robbing get DC and join a village. your DC argument is moot cause it works for everyone not just outlaws

**Gazun** · 13-10-2011, 20:16

You still have to be an outlaw to get DC, which is an advantage of being an outlaw, which is what I was saying.

**marythecatgirl** · 14-10-2011, 02:05

Originally Posted by Gazun

You still have to be an outlaw to get DC, which is an advantage of being an outlaw, which is what I was saying.

I meant mort's not yours. he said be and alt and rob like mad. Be a main with DC and rob wimps 2 rounds before killing them while cushy in your village

**Cedzen** · 14-10-2011, 03:28

Syndicate needs some review. What kind of changes though; I'm not yet sure.

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