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    old fossil Chuunin Tessa's Avatar
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    Default [Cloth Puppet] Hydra [Salvaje]

    Puppet name: Hydra
    Puppet rank: C
    Appearance: The "Hydra" puppet is many snake(or draconian) shaped heads made out of silk clothe, light bamboo for structural support, including light 1/2 inch wooden teeth lined into the mouth of the puppet head. The upper top 2 inch teeth canine teeth are hollowed out oak. The tips of the canine teeth are glued in place to loosely seal the holes. Each head is eight inches (8") in diameter. Each head is made from harden clothe and supported by thin lightweight bamboo frames.

    Inside each head is a slot for placing in wire, clothe, or the wooden spinal vertebra frame that lets the user control the puppet from the inside. There are gears that operated inside the jawline to open and close the mouth. The amount of heads varies by preference and also the length of the wire, clothe, or wooden vertebra also varies by reapplication.

    At the base of the vertebra is a large box measuring two square feet from which the "Hydra" extends from within. The appearance of the box is modified to fit the user's personal preference in the reapplication. The typical "box" frame is wooden, often sturdy, and shell-like to fit comfortably against the user's back. The "box" or "container" has multiple straps to allow it to be fastened to a person's shoulders, chest, and hips to allow the weight to be distributed evenly.

    Strengths: Agile, lightweight,
    Weaknesses: Easily damaged (Weak frame), higher concentration (cost 2x)

    Specialties:
    Can be used with wire manipulation, various puppet jutsu, clothe manipulation.

    Control of the the "Hydra" varies by type of manipulation used.

    Wire manipulation allows for maximum control of the gears inside the head allowing the heads to "snap" closed quickly and hard but cannot hold more than five heads. Used for speed in comparison to other manipulation techniques. Each head has to have multiple wires attatched to be lifted due to Wire Manipulation's inneffective control.

    Clothe Manipulation allows for mediocre control of the gears inside the head but can uphold the "Hydra Heads" better than wire manipulation. Best choice for agile movement.

    Use with puppetry manipulation techniques of the vertebra colemn allows for poor control of the gears inside the head to make them "Snap" closed slowly and inneffective damage. The vertebra collume used with puppetry allows for a larger amount of "hydra" heads to be controlled. Movement is restricted.

    Weapons/Devices: Has 2 inch long canine hollowed teeth. The tips of the teeth break 1 millimeter off the end to allow the hollow to be uncorked. Inside each head a very small set of gears and poles allow wires/clothe to wrap/attach to in order to be controlled.

    Each head can be attatched to a wooden vertebra column made of use specifically compatable with puppet jutsus only.

    (not used to working with puppets. critiques are happily accepted.)
    Last edited by Tessa; 11-04-2012 at 15:51.
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    I would like to say that using it with Wire Manipulation might become impossible now. (I still have to recheck this.) As far as I remember, it was discussed before that a single wire can't even lift a kunai. But then again, I guess this is lightweight correct?

    I'm just giving you a heads-up about this.

    Also... I see this as just a pieces of clothes with a puppet head on the end? o.o

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    You could start by bolding the appropriate sections like how it should be. Like the puppet name, rank, appearance and so on. It be helpful if people followed the format including the code.
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    its lightweight, made of clothe and bamboo. You can attatch multiple wires inside the head if you want if you really need to lift it. Clothe manip is self explanitory because of the fact the "Hydra" is pretty much made of it.

    The head is actually hardened clothe and bamboo.

    snake head on "stick" (wires, clothe, wooden vertebra attachment)

    I tried my best to think about it as much as I can.
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    "clothe" is mispelled, it's supposed to be "cloth" Please correct that.
    edit: Actually, "clothe" is the verb that means "to cover in cloth"

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    Puppet rank: N/A
    Rank is not an optional Field. Nor is it non-applicable to this app. This is perticuarlly important for puppets, for the following reason.
    The rank of a puppet represents its abilities in relation to shinobi. For example, a C ranked puppet has roughly the same physical abilities (strength, speed, etc) as a genin level shinobi. Typically, a shinobi may not have more than 1 puppet of their own rank.
    Strengths: Fast, agile, lightweight
    Weaknesses: below average endurance, below average strength,
    If you're going to use qualifiers for the weaknesses (in this case, "below average") then please do the same for the strengths.

    Puppets in general are usually unique and intended for use by a single rpc, rather then for a clan as a whole. Going out of your way to make sure it can be controled by cloth manipulation techinques heavily implies it's intended for your rpc, and the fact your rpc is the only active Salvaje member I know of, I suggest you come out and say so, instead of making this a clan item.

    *noms anvil*
    Last edited by Mishio; 29-03-2012 at 01:55.

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    I'm planning for a second rpc which doesn't exist at the moment. I can probably app it for my current character and pass it but I'm trying to leave this item available for anyone that wants to use and modify. Mainly, multiple people can use it instead of making it exclusive. I have another year or two before I get a second rpc (at the rate I post).

    Rank: I actually couldn't associate this item per proper rank. Its the one thing in the template guide I didn't understand.

    ty for critique
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    I'm planning for a second rpc which doesn't exist at the moment. I can probably app it for my current character and pass it but I'm trying to leave this item available for anyone that wants to use and modify. Mainly, multiple people can use it instead of making it exclusive. I have another year or two before I get a second rpc (at the rate I post).
    In that case, come back in a year or two. Rpcs that don't exist yet don't count. >:[

    Rank: I actually couldn't associate this item per proper rank. Its the one thing in the template guide I didn't understand.
    *shrugs* it is a relatively new field. Basically, an item's "rank" is intended to gauge an item's power, complexity, and so on in a way independent from slot cost. For puppets, it also acts as a baseline for it's strengths/weaknesses.

    A kunai, for example, would be considered a D-rank, or academy student level item. Civs arn't allowed (or generally don't use) them for obvious reasons, but they're a basic, common tool used by beginner ninja, and only a minimal amount of training and practice is required to use one properly. Now, let's say you started throwing some special effects/abilities onto them. Not anything slot-worthy, but the kind that would make it more difficult to use, and probably not something the mods would want to see an Academy Student running around with. It would probably be a C-ranked, or genin level item. And so on.

    *noms anvil*

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    A: The reason I set it for clan instead of myself.
    B: What rank do you consider this?
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    Fair enough.

    At least C,

    edit:but that means you probably won't be allowed to manipulate it with wire manipulation. that's normally only allowed for very simply puppets used by Academy students, since they arn't able to learn any puppetry techniques yet (which are mostly ranked C+)

    *noms anvil*
    Last edited by Mishio; 29-03-2012 at 02:30.

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    Just note, the puppetry guidelines that I created is still to be updated. I just said this in case you guys are using it as a base. If not, just ignore this.

    To the wire manipulation...

    Hmmm...

    IMO, I guess it'll be OK, however the puppet's movement will probably not be fluent compared to Kugutsu and Cloth manipulation.

    It'll be very inefficient in other words.

    Gawd I really need to work on a new Puppetry Guide.

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    Noted, will add to that during

    Any opinion on the wooden vetrea column?

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    Asked someone about the wire manip to make sure.

    Yep you can use it with this puppet, but it'll be very inefficient just like I said in my earlier post.

    As in totally inefficient since Wire Manipulation is not really made for puppet manipulation.

    This might also extend to cloth manipulation (which I still have to ask again).

    and I get the vertebrae thing. Please define its measurements as well as its composition.

    Same goes to the other parts.

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    Wire manip- noted.

    Clothe manip states in its description that a skill person can create puppets from it so clothe manip's ability is entirely dependant on the user. At lower ranks of genin it would be hard to control the jutsu itself.

    will edit the compisition into the item later when I'm not so tired
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    How heavy is this exactly. Both overall and each individual 'head'. Since your using wire manipulation it really does matter. Because as those before you have said, the jutsu was not meant to be used for such things. Material manipulation (not clothe manipulation) which requires one to manually sew chakra into the cloth in order to move it first, isn't even able to mimic puppetry perfectly either, it even says so in the actual jutsu.

    The amount of heads varies by preference and the length of the wire, clothe, or wooden vertebra also varies.
    Are you applying for a puppet or a base for others to app there own things later. Your going to need to give us exacts to what this puppet looks like, number of heads, the length of the necks, ect. All that needs to be defined. If its not, then this is considered a template and anyone who would want to use this puppet would have to apply for it again for themselves later and things would have to be defined then.

    Also this box, is it actually a box? Wooden? Or is it perhaps a backback? A bit more detail on that as well please.

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    I tried to address all issues critiqued in the app.

    Box: Box but can be changed by user preference.
    Weight of each head... I can't think of it but I imagine to be less than a pound. Need suggestions of appropriate weight.

    Number of heads: I'd prefer it to be addressed with each reapplication but I did limit wire manip to 5 heads.

    Looking back I forgot to add what the vertebra is made of. I think I'll use "pine" after I re-edit.

    Issue A: I'd like assistance to reword the description so that its easy to understand. If you'd like to take a chop then go ahead I'll listen.

    For clothe and wire manip the "heads" are meant to entirely be used exactly by those materials. They will create the "neck" of the hydra. I hope this clears up confusion.

    The vertebra is for puppetry jutsus only.
    Last edited by Tessa; 11-04-2012 at 15:53.
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    Eh, alrighty then.
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